blegging for logic help
Oct. 19th, 2004 08:30 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Since I'm supposed to know something about logic once I graduate, I'm trying some self-study and talking to people who know more than me. All this extra-curricular.
Any help clarifying my ideas is very welcome!
Here are some notes:
ZFC talks about sets
PA talks about numbers
you can code PA into ZFC
Goodstein theorem is undecidable in PA
Goodstein theorem is provable in ZFC
Is there a relationship between the Undecidability of FOL and Gödel's incompleteness?
Are these the same meaning of "complete"?
complete: all tautologies are provable
complete: all consistent things have a model
What can one conclude from "FOL is complete but not decidable"?
What's the relationship between:
calculus
logic
theory
?
logic = calculus + semantics?
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I really should be ashamed of myself, but it really seems I can't learn from a static book (possibly because I don't have the patience!). But I have an open mind: perhaps I just haven't found the right book.
Any help clarifying my ideas is very welcome!
Here are some notes:
ZFC talks about sets
PA talks about numbers
you can code PA into ZFC
Goodstein theorem is undecidable in PA
Goodstein theorem is provable in ZFC
Is there a relationship between the Undecidability of FOL and Gödel's incompleteness?
Are these the same meaning of "complete"?
complete: all tautologies are provable
complete: all consistent things have a model
What can one conclude from "FOL is complete but not decidable"?
What's the relationship between:
calculus
logic
theory
?
logic = calculus + semantics?
---
I really should be ashamed of myself, but it really seems I can't learn from a static book (possibly because I don't have the patience!). But I have an open mind: perhaps I just haven't found the right book.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-19 03:25 pm (UTC)All tautologies being provable and every consistent set of formulas having a model are equivalent results, given the deduction theorem and reductio (these are simple metatheorems of first order logic). Assume that every consistent set of formulas has a model. Now assume that a formula is not provable. Then the singleton consisting of its negation is consistent, because otherwise you could prove the formula (by reductio). So there is a model for the negation of the formula, so the formula is not a tautology. These steps work in reverse order as well.
Being complete means that every consistent set has a model. Not being decidable means that there is no syntactic procedure for validity checking. I think together these basically mean that there's no syntactic check for model equivalence. (Lowenheim-Skolem implies that there are non-isomorphic models that are elementarily equivalent, incompleteness just implies that there are non-equivalent models satisfying any recursive set of formulas.)
(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-25 06:21 am (UTC)I would like to see how the undecidability of FOL follows from Godel's incompleteness.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-25 04:56 pm (UTC)