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What's the technical name for the belief that life is fair? ~"just world assumption"?

Not sure...

Date: 2006-08-13 06:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm not sure, but I'm very disturbed by the standard result that if you give people a choice between option A: "You get 1 dollar and some other person gets 1 dollar" and option B: "You get 2 dollars and some other person gets 10 dollars", they tend to choose option A...... *sigh*

Fortunately, it turns out that if you let them meet and chat with that other person before hand, then they'll pick option B.....

Re: Not sure...

Date: 2006-08-13 06:19 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, and just so it doesn't look like a non-sequitur, the standard explanation for the above result is that people want things to be fair.

:)
Terry
(who really should sign up to get a livejournal account....)

getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-13 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com
here.

LJ's creator, in his awesomeness, also invented an open interoperability standard called OpenID, which you can use here. But unlike a LJ account, I don't think OpenID will allow you to see friends-only entries.

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-13 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwillen.livejournal.com
If OpenID is configured right, it should be technically possible for an LJ user to friend an OpenID user... but AFAIK there aren't currently any non-LJ implementations of OpenID that are fully functional.

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-13 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkfu.livejournal.com
Ya mean like this?

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?userid=7563501&t=I

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-13 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwillen.livejournal.com
Ahhh, heh. I had forgotten to account for other sites using the LJ codebase. What I really meant was "other implementations not written by the LJ folks", but I forgot about places like deadjournal.

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-13 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkfu.livejournal.com
:D

I am probably going to put it up soon myself, just for shits and giggles, we'll see what happens.

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-13 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com
hey, could you comment from the DJ account?

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2006-08-14 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scsi.deadjournal.com (from livejournal.com)
Yes you can. :)

Re: getting a livejournal account

Date: 2010-07-29 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com
wow, you are the #1 on DeadJournal!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiantsun.livejournal.com
I don't know but I perpetually have that problem.

divine justice

Date: 2006-08-13 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaeducat10n.livejournal.com
I perpetually have that problem

The problem of believing life is fair? I don't, typically, have that problem.

As for the name of this...seems more like something you'd find in the metaphysical than psychological realm. There's probably a less-loaded term for it, but Panglossianism is what came to my mind.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smandal.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_World_Hypothesis

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com
Yes. Thanks.

I wonder why it's called a "hypothesis". It's obviously not a scientific claim.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 06:23 pm (UTC)
tiedyedave: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tiedyedave
Not all hypotheses need be scientific; they're just suppositions.

What you think of as hypothesis (falsifiable claim), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis>Wikipedia categorizes</a> as (helpfully) a <i>falsifiable hypothesis</i> or a <i>scientific hypothesis</i>. I don't like the term hypothesis either, but for a different reason: the statement doesn't even seem to be a closed one (what is "fair"? what is "deserved"?), regardless of its falsifiability.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 06:26 pm (UTC)
tiedyedave: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tiedyedave
Ok, let's try that one again. :)

Not all hypotheses need be scientific; they're just suppositions.

What you think of as hypothesis (falsifiable claim), Wikipedia categorizes as (helpfully) a falsifiable hypothesis or a scientific hypothesis.

I don't like the term hypothesis either, but for a different reason: the statement doesn't even seem to be a closed one (what is "fair"? what is "deserved"?), regardless of its falsifiability.

falsificationism

Date: 2006-08-13 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com
You have the right idea, but I am not exactly a naïve falsificationist. Falsification is just the dual of verification.

Kevin Kelly can articulate this better than me.
He and I agree that even Sigma_2 statements can be scientific:


KK:
> In other words, one feels secure while a
> particular instance of the sigma-2 statement continues to be "confirmed"
>and then one loses confidence for a while when the favored instance is
> refuted. That's the best you can do.

I agree.
I further claim that, since it only makes sense to talk about things
within our horizon, any meaning we can correctly give to Sigma_2
sentences is by projecting them as empirically-verifiable-or-refutable
predictions... as you suggest when talking about "confidence", a
Sigma_2 statement would have probabilistic consequences that are, in a weaker sense, empirically-verifiable-or-refutable.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smandal.livejournal.com
Why can't one make a scientific hypothesis that a certain fraction of people irrationally believe in a just world?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gustavolacerda.livejournal.com
Sure one could, but "just world hypothesis" refers to these people's beliefs, not to such a hypothesis.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smandal.livejournal.com
OK, I read it to mean as I stated, i.e. "hypothesis" refers to the effect, not the theory in the mind of such people.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-13 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkfu.livejournal.com
Karma?
Wishful thinking?

(Here via friendsfriends, I'm bored.)

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